The Nikon Advanced Wireless Lighting

[Jukon]

I am a Nikon user and need some guide regarding the flash system, please help.
Equipments presently in hand.
01. D200
02. SB 800

Nowaday I only shoot still life and no more model because I cannot offord to pay them. Should I go wire or wireless? What extra equipments should I add in to explore the systems fully? Thank in advance.

[jacob]

I am a Nikon user and need some guide regarding the flash system, please help.
Equipments presently in hand.
01. D200
02. SB 800

Nowaday I only shoot still life and no more model because I cannot offord to pay them. Should I go wire or wireless? What extra equipments should I add in to explore the systems fully? Thank in advance.

ur equipments are your tools to create an image. so the best advice i'd give is use it according to your creativity. you're the photographer...... you have to decide your own.:sweat:

[espn]

Why do you need to worry about wire and wireless if your existing setup is sufficient to take what you want?

[jacob]

with single light TS can also add in with reflectors etc when required.

[Jukon]

with single light TS can also add in with reflectors etc when required.

Yes, I tried placing my sb800 behind the white cloth backdrop and reflectors boucing light on the Carlsberg bottle. The label is a bit under, if I have a second flash to fill in the effect will be better.

[Jukon]

Why do you need to worry about wire and wireless if your existing setup is sufficient to take what you want?

My sync cord is a modified wire, the connection is sometime no good. I thought of adding a second flash and su800 to my system.

[jacob]

Yes, I tried placing my sb800 behind the white cloth backdrop and reflectors boucing light on the Carlsberg bottle. The label is a bit under, if I have a second flash to fill in the effect will be better.

u can try using table lamp to lit the background right? sometimes u can also use mirrors for max light reflecting.

My sync cord is a modified wire, the connection is sometime no good. I thought of adding a second flash and su800 to my system.

d200 built-in flash got this thing called commander mode right? su800 is quite a waste of money in my opinion.


my $1.00 worth.

[madmacs]

just get another flash if you want. then use d200 flash or sb800 as commander to control the 2nd flash. or use d200 to control sb800 and the 2nd flash.

[Jukon]

u can try using table lamp to lit the background right? sometimes u can also use mirrors for max light reflecting.

d200 built-in flash got this thing called commander mode right? su800 is quite a waste of money in my opinion.
my $1.00 worth.

yes I do tried using led torchlight but image a bit yellow and when I use mirrors the image a bit harsh.

built-in flash commander mode not very sure please kindly explain more.
Thank a lot.

just get another flash if you want. then use d200 flash or sb800 as commander to control the 2nd flash. or use d200 to control sb800 and the 2nd flash.

Please help to explain how to use d200 to control sb800 and the 2nd flash.
Thank a lot.

[jacob]

yes I do tried using led torchlight but image a bit yellow and when I use mirrors the image a bit harsh.

built-in flash commander mode not very sure please kindly explain more.
Thank a lot.


here's the spoon..................................read ur D200 manual lei.:cheers:

[espn]

D200 and above the in-built flash can be used for commandering SB-600/800/900 as slave aka CLS (corridor lighting system). For cameras without, you can consider commandering the CLS with SB-800/900 or with SU-800.

SU-800 currently is not known to be sold separately although there was this intention (from the very last conversation I had with the Nikon Sales rep a long time ago) and it only comes with the R1-C1 Macro Ring flash set.

Another way of triggering the flash, for flashes without CLS capabilities or remote triggering capabilities, is to consider the usage of the SU-4, which will trigger the flash itself.

These are a few viable options though I very much prefer CLS over traditional SU-4 as I can control all the flashes output via my master speedlight and up to 64 speedlights (probably show off rather than practical usage).

[Kancil39]

D200 and above the in-built flash can be used for commandering SB-600/800/900 as slave aka CLS (corridor lighting system). For cameras without, you can consider commandering the CLS with SB-800/900 or with SU-800.

SU-800 currently is not known to be sold separately although there was this intention (from the very last conversation I had with the Nikon Sales rep a long time ago) and it only comes with the R1-C1 Macro Ring flash set.

Another way of triggering the flash, for flashes without CLS capabilities or remote triggering capabilities, is to consider the usage of the SU-4, which will trigger the flash itself.

These are a few viable options though I very much prefer CLS over traditional SU-4 as I can control all the flashes output via my master speedlight and up to 64 speedlights (probably show off rather than practical usage).

Hi espn, just wondering is there any third party brand/model that can be used as commander with same function as SU-800 since it is not sold separately.:confused1:

[jacob]

Hi espn, just wondering is there any third party brand/model that can be used as commander with same function as SU-800 since it is not sold separately.:confused1:


dun have unfortunately:sweat:. haven't heard of one anyway.

[KopiOkaya]

is there any third party brand/model that can be used as commander with same function as SU-800 since it is not sold separately.:confused1:

Actually there is such a gadget available in Singapore. You can purchase it from Orient Photo at Sim Lim Square. It is made in China of course, and uses 2 AA size batteries. It is much bigger than the SU-800 physically.

How reliable is this device I am not sure, but it does provide a much cheaper alternative to SU-800 (which costs over S$500).

[jacob]

Actually there is such a gadget available in Singapore. You can purchase it from Orient Photo at Sim Lim Square. It is made in China of course, and uses 2 AA size battery. It is much bigger than the SU-800 physically.

How reliable is this device I am not sure, but it does provide a much cheaper alternative than SU-800 (which costs over S$500).

really? hmn...... would rather get another used sb800 if it cost $500.:sweat:

[Jukon]

D200 and above the in-built flash can be used for commandering SB-600/800/900 as slave aka CLS (corridor lighting system). For cameras without, you can consider commandering the CLS with SB-800/900 or with SU-800.

SU-800 currently is not known to be sold separately although there was this intention (from the very last conversation I had with the Nikon Sales rep a long time ago) and it only comes with the R1-C1 Macro Ring flash set.

Another way of triggering the flash, for flashes without CLS capabilities or remote triggering capabilities, is to consider the usage of the SU-4, which will trigger the flash itself.

These are a few viable options though I very much prefer CLS over traditional SU-4 as I can control all the flashes output via my master speedlight and up to 64 speedlights (probably show off rather than practical usage).

I do get a quote from TK for su800 some month ago, but never hear of su-4.
Thank a lot.

[Kancil39]

Actually there is such a gadget available in Singapore. You can purchase it from Orient Photo at Sim Lim Square. It is made in China of course, and uses 2 AA size batteries. It is much bigger than the SU-800 physically.

How reliable is this device I am not sure, but it does provide a much cheaper alternative to SU-800 (which costs over S$500).

I see. Ok will make an enquiry if I were to go there. Mmm, what will the price be like!!!

[Jukon]

u can try using table lamp to lit the background right? sometimes u can also use mirrors for max light reflecting.

d200 built-in flash got this thing called commander mode right? su800 is quite a waste of money in my opinion.
my $1.00 worth.

So if I use built-in flash commander mode and sb800, the second flash to buy should be which model?
Thank

[madmacs]

sb800 or sb600 will do.

[Jukon]

sb800 or sb600 will do.

Thank I will go TK to check price of sb600. Why you still recomend sb800 as it is no longer in production. The price is almost same as sb900.

[madmacs]

din say you must get new sb800 mah. if you want sb900 also can.

[KopiOkaya]

I see. Ok will make an enquiry if I were to go there. Mmm, what will the price be like!!!

About $50-$70.

[espn]

Hi espn, just wondering is there any third party brand/model that can be used as commander with same function as SU-800 since it is not sold separately.:confused1:Not to my knowledge as the RF and communication is like designed and programmed by Nikon themselves, they would know better than others on how to link up the flashes flawlessly. Though I'm pretty sure there are people who are very good at reverse engineering stuff ;)




I do get a quote from TK for su800 some month ago, but never hear of su-4.
Thank a lot.SU-4 is pretty 'old'-school already, a set can cost about $100+. If you need SU-4 for 4 flashes then you're looking at $400++ more.

SU-4 were in the days where technology is not up to par like these days with CLS. Just like last time where cameras rely on sync cords to trigger their studio flashes, these days, there're wireless triggers, etc.




So if I use built-in flash commander mode and sb800, the second flash to buy should be which model?
ThankAny one which is able to be controlled by CLS, SB600/800/900 is fine.




Thank I will go TK to check price of sb600. Why you still recomend sb800 as it is no longer in production. The price is almost same as sb900.Price should be about $360-380. 2nd hand SB-800 is about $450, which is about $250 less than SB-900. Given a good set, SB-800 can last quite long.

If you only need it for CLS, perhaps SB-600 is sufficient.

[Jukon]

din say you must get new sb800 mah. if you want sb900 also can.

I am not particular about new or old sb800 just tot that you will explain the best of the 2 flash.
Thank.

[Jukon]

Any one which is able to be controlled by CLS, SB600/800/900 is fine.


Price should be about $360-380. 2nd hand SB-800 is about $450, which is about $250 less than SB-900. Given a good set, SB-800 can last quite long.

If you only need it for CLS, perhaps SB-600 is sufficient.

Hi espn thank for your info, will get a flash and try out

[Jukon]

Sorry my English is very louy so anybody can help explain "SB-600 can be wireless slave but not commander". Thank

[KopiOkaya]

Pocket Wizards for Nikon CLS.... anyone?

[jacob]

Pocket Wizards for Nikon CLS.... anyone?

$$$$$:sweat:

or u meant the china made ones?

[jacob]

Sorry my English is very louy so anybody can help explain "SB-600 can be wireless slave but not commander". Thank

to understand commander mode, i suggest you read your D200 camera manual and test your sb800 with your D200. that's similar function in sb800, sb900 and su800.

sb600 do not have commander mode.... it means it cannot command any other flash eg sb600 or sb800 to trigger CLS mode.

my $0.05 worth.:sweat:

[KopiOkaya]

$$$$$:sweat:

or u meant the china made ones?

China made ones got mood.... suka, suka trigger, or suka, suka don't trigger. :sweat:

I am talking about real Pocket Wizards.

[Jukon]

to understand commander mode, i suggest you read your D200 camera manual and test your sb800 with your D200. that's similar function in sb800, sb900 and su800.

sb600 do not have commander mode.... it means it cannot command any other flash eg sb600 or sb800 to trigger CLS mode.

my $0.05 worth.:sweat:

Ok read up and try the function. Thank good night.

[Kancil39]

China made ones got mood.... suka, suka trigger, or suka, suka don't trigger. :sweat:

I am talking about real Pocket Wizards.

Just read on their web page & it stated that "Nikon i-TTL capability available by the end of June, 2009".Btw what is the price like?

[KopiOkaya]

Just read on their web page & it stated that "Nikon i-TTL capability available by the end of June, 2009".Btw what is the price like?

About S$60 each (muuuuuuuuch cheaper than one Pocket Wizard transmitter/receiver unit).

[jacob]

About S$60 each (muuuuuuuuch cheaper than one Pocket Wizard transmitter/receiver unit).

hmn..... wanna hear more about this. performance really that kind of attitudes?

[Kancil39]

About S$60 each (muuuuuuuuch cheaper than one Pocket Wizard transmitter/receiver unit).

Wah $60 is quite cheap compare to SU-800. Btw KopiOkaya, is it the latest Mini TT1 Transmitter or FlexTT5 Transceiver showing on the Pocket Wizard website?

[KopiOkaya]

Wah $60 is quite cheap compare to SU-800. Btw KopiOkaya, is it the latest Mini TT1 Transmitter or FlexTT5 Transceiver showing on the Pocket Wizard website?

These transmitter and transceiver you mentioned are for Canon flashes.

[Kancil39]

These transmitter and transceiver you mentioned are for Canon flashes.

I thought that is the one when you mention Pocket Wizard.:grin:Then which product are you referring to?

[KopiOkaya]

I thought that is the one when you mention Pocket Wizard.:grin:Then which product are you referring to?

Pocket Wizard Plus II can be used on Nikon flashes but only in 'A' or 'M' mode.

[Kancil39]

Pocket Wizard Plus II can be used on Nikon flashes but only in 'A' or 'M' mode.

Ok, now I get it. So big bro, where can I buy the Pocket Wizard Plus II from since it's cheaper from SU-800?

[KopiOkaya]

Ok, now I get it. So big bro, where can I buy the Pocket Wizard Plus II from since it's cheaper from SU-800?

The Pocket Wizard Plus II is NOT cheaper than SU-800. A single unit costs S$300+. You will need 2 units to work.

The advantage is you will have great range, thus better flexibility.

[Kancil39]

About S$60 each (muuuuuuuuch cheaper than one Pocket Wizard transmitter/receiver unit).

Then what are these you talking about. Care to explain big bro.:)

[Jukon]

Anybodies know the address of Location where the whole building sell photograpy equipment in Shenzheng. Please enlight.
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[Joel]

Anybodies know the address of Location where the whole building sell photograpy equipment in Shenzheng. Please enlight.
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Ooi Ooi Mr Jukon you buy already or not ar? Hold your horse first ley...
Your question about the SB600 cannot be master thing hor.... meaning is not all flash light can 'trigger' other flash lights. Put simple, expensive one can function as 'Master' and cheaper one only function as 'Slave'. So when master fire, slave also fire. My nikon power not so powerful but I remember SB800 is expensive one so can MASTER and SB600 cheaper so be the slave lor... :rofl:
But hor since D70 the body got function to trigger flash liao leh... I think your body is higher range so sure also have...

Anyway if you count 1xMaster + 3xslave how much hor... now you shooting alot of still life liaoz... maybe get strobes cheaper leh... I dunno but I is 2 flash not enuff. best is got 4 becos 1 left 1 right 1 top 1 bottom...

Or maybe you can explore the website of 'Strobist'. I also looking at information there. The people there siao one can DIY alot of lights and some idea is also good idea leh. What modify light tubes lah, fluoresent lights lah, LED lah, the normal philips energy saving bulbs also can... they make DIY beauty dish, ring light, even stanley use that big ball they also DIY with paper lanturn buy from IKEA ar... oh, I also see got people put a light into a dunno what helium or what balloon and use like a moon!!! si beh ho... :clap:

[Jukon]

Ooi Ooi Mr Jukon you buy already or not ar? Hold your horse first ley...
Your question about the SB600 cannot be master thing hor.... meaning is not all flash light can 'trigger' other flash lights. Put simple, expensive one can function as 'Master' and cheaper one only function as 'Slave'. So when master fire, slave also fire. My nikon power not so powerful but I remember SB800 is expensive one so can MASTER and SB600 cheaper so be the slave lor... :rofl:
But hor since D70 the body got function to trigger flash liao leh... I think your body is higher range so sure also have...

Anyway if you count 1xMaster + 3xslave how much hor... now you shooting alot of still life liaoz... maybe get strobes cheaper leh... I dunno but I is 2 flash not enuff. best is got 4 becos 1 left 1 right 1 top 1 bottom...

Or maybe you can explore the website of 'Strobist'. I also looking at information there. The people there siao one can DIY alot of lights and some idea is also good idea leh. What modify light tubes lah, fluoresent lights lah, LED lah, the normal philips energy saving bulbs also can... they make DIY beauty dish, ring light, even stanley use that big ball they also DIY with paper lanturn buy from IKEA ar... oh, I also see got people put a light into a dunno what helium or what balloon and use like a moon!!! si beh ho... :clap:

SB600 is for fill-in as it is not convenient to use reflector in eating place. You are very right 4 flash system is the best but at this moment it is just fine adding a flash to team up my sb800. Later then think of su800 and others. Strobes lack mobilities many friends sold after a period of use.
Nikon items can buy from TK but supporting accessories buy from China should be very much cheaper so I need the address in ShenZheng

[jacob]

......accessories buy from China should be very much cheaper so I need the address in ShenZheng

hmn..... can tompang?

[KopiOkaya]

Then what are these you talking about. Care to explain big bro.:)

Aiyah.... $60 is the Made in China "Pocket Wizard" kit. The kit contains 1 transmitter and 1 receiver. The transmitter goes on your camera. The receiver goes on your Nikon flash.

However, each real Pocket Wizard Plus II can function as both a transmitter and a receiver. You will require 2 Plus II units to work (which cost about S$700 liao).

[Jukon]

hmn..... can tompang?

Tompang no problem this is a help and share community.
:cheers::cheers::cheers:

[jacob]

so when will you be going?

[Kancil39]

Tompang no problem this is a help and share community.
:cheers::cheers::cheers:

Jukon, I want to tompang also can? Since kopiOkaya said it's around $60. I want to get it to.

[Jukon]

so when will you be going?

Jukon, I want to tompang also can? Since kopiOkaya said it's around $60. I want to get it to.

I can go only when I have the address of the building selling photographic equipments in ShenZheng.

[Kancil39]

I can go only when I have the address of the building selling photographic equipments in ShenZheng.

Hi Jukon, this is what I get after google. I hope this helps.
http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/anniegodox

[Jukon]

Hi Jukon, this is what I get after google. I hope this helps.
http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/anniegodox

Hello I want the address of the building that sell photographic equipments not the address of Manufacturer of the gadget. Thank you.

[excelglsi]

Bro maybe u can try this set up...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v376/ChaoxAngel/z_random/DSC00045.jpg

Take this as guide..

Standard Package Contents:
Here's a full listing of the items that are needed for a group of 2 Lights.

2 x Flash Gun (Requirements: Controllable Power Level, ISO Hotshoe) - Vivitar 285HV (S$109 Gadget Infinity)
2 x Flash/Umbrella Combo Holder ($35, Orient Photo)
2 x Light Stand ($24 from Tago Tech, to $70 jinbei stand from Orient Photo)
2 x Umbrellas (Around $15 to $25, depending on type, size and configuration)

2 x Remote Flash Trigger Receiver ($25 alone)
1 x Remote Flash Trigger Transmitter ($45 for a set of 1 Transmitter and 1 Receiver)
1 x FS1100 (To mount the Transmitter onto KM/Sony Hotshoe. For non KM/Sony systems, Transmitter mounts direct onto hotshoe) (Around $15)

1 x Large Tripod Bag (Carries Light Stand, Flash/Umbrella Combo holder everything, slings on shoulder comfortably. The Standard Light Stand Bag has no cushion and will be very difficult to carry around without tiring the user.) (around $45?)


Summary

Vivitar 285HV is S$109 each
Flash/Umbrella Combo Holder is $35 each
Light Stand from $24 to $70 each
Umbrellas from $15 to $25 each
Remote Flash Trigger Receiver is $25 each
Remote Flash Trigger Transmitter is $45 for a set of 1 Transmitter and 1 Receiver
FS1100 Hotshoe Adaptor around $15
Large Tripod Bag around $45

So for a full set with the cheapest options (where options are available will be:
(2 x $109) + (2 x $35) + (2 x $24) + (2 x $15) + $25 + $45 + $15 + $45 = $463

[KopiOkaya]

Bro maybe u can try this set up...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v376/ChaoxAngel/z_random/DSC00045.jpg

Take this as guide..

Standard Package Contents:
Here's a full listing of the items that are needed for a group of 2 Lights.

2 x Flash Gun (Requirements: Controllable Power Level, ISO Hotshoe) - Vivitar 285HV (S$109 Gadget Infinity)
2 x Flash/Umbrella Combo Holder ($35, Orient Photo)
2 x Light Stand ($24 from Tago Tech, to $70 jinbei stand from Orient Photo)
2 x Umbrellas (Around $15 to $25, depending on type, size and configuration)

2 x Remote Flash Trigger Receiver ($25 alone)
1 x Remote Flash Trigger Transmitter ($45 for a set of 1 Transmitter and 1 Receiver)
1 x FS1100 (To mount the Transmitter onto KM/Sony Hotshoe. For non KM/Sony systems, Transmitter mounts direct onto hotshoe) (Around $15)

1 x Large Tripod Bag (Carries Light Stand, Flash/Umbrella Combo holder everything, slings on shoulder comfortably. The Standard Light Stand Bag has no cushion and will be very difficult to carry around without tiring the user.) (around $45?)


Summary

Vivitar 285HV is S$109 each
Flash/Umbrella Combo Holder is $35 each
Light Stand from $24 to $70 each
Umbrellas from $15 to $25 each
Remote Flash Trigger Receiver is $25 each
Remote Flash Trigger Transmitter is $45 for a set of 1 Transmitter and 1 Receiver
FS1100 Hotshoe Adaptor around $15
Large Tripod Bag around $45

So for a full set with the cheapest options (where options are available will be:
(2 x $109) + (2 x $35) + (2 x $24) + (2 x $15) + $25 + $45 + $15 + $45 = $463

Errrh.... Too bad this setup cannot do CLS.

[jacob]

Errrh.... Too bad this setup cannot do CLS.

i'd have gone for this too if not for cls.

if i'm not wrong vivitar 285 suck up a lot of juices right?