Epson V600 Scanning

[harky]

i bought v600
i like to ask what is the decent dpi i should scan?? so tht i can wash up to... 8R or MORE

or i scanned 6400dpi (8853 X 5631) is more than euff Hhaaa


also d/l the trial of vueScan .. look abit confuse.. hahh

[KopiOkaya]

i bought v600
i like to ask what is the decent dpi i should scan?? so tht i can wash up to... 8R or MORE

or i scanned 6400dpi (8853 X 5631) is more than euff Hhaaa


also d/l the trial of vueScan .. look abit confuse.. hahh

I have a Epson V700.

The scan resolution depends on how big you want to print. For size 8R, 2398 × 3000 pixel at 300 dpi is good enough. I always scan to match print size.

I have tried both SilverFast Ai Studio and Vuescan but ended up using Epson's own software. It is good enough.

[harky]

oh haha thanks.. becos i was looking @ this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_photographic_print_sizes
S12R [12" × 18"] [305 × 465 mm] [3602 × 5492 px] 3:2 (1.5)

was target to scan for the highest standard photographic print 12R and save as tiff

i using the epson prog.. and scan by using dpi setting.. so i tot i can scan as big or decent size and use it for future printing rather than re-scan again.

[KopiOkaya]

big or decent size and use it for future printing rather than re-scan again.

How big do you think you will print in the future? A0 size (841mm × 1189 mm) at most. Well, unless you want to do a wall mural, you are merely bloating up your TIFF files.

Also bare in mind that TRUE maximum optical resolution of the V600 is only 2,400 dpi. Anything beyond that will only add blurry redundant pixels without image information, meaning the image looks less sharp compared to a scan at the true maximum optical resolution of the scanner.

[harky]

oh i see.. hmm can i just scan @ 4800dpi (6592 X 4128) and lower dow the dpi if needed?

[KopiOkaya]

oh i see.. hmm can i just scan @ 4800dpi (6592 X 4128) and lower dow the dpi if needed?

Try not to go beyond 2,400 dpi, otherwise your image will look soft. It is better to scan at true maximum optical resolution and downsize when needed.

[harky]

as i set the target size as original (100%)
i put 2400dpi, it give me 3296 x 2064

can i still corp and print out a decent 12R ? (i mean i go those wash photo tht shop and wash out 12R )

[KopiOkaya]

can i still corp and print out a decent 12R ? (i mean i go those wash photo tht shop and wash out 12R )

Why not? By the way, the correct term is print photo, NOT "wash" photo.

You should read THIS (http://www.scantips.com/basics08.html) and THIS (http://www.scantips.com/basics07.html).

[harky]

hhaha i know that normal print out just need 300dpi.. but not sure how film scan work.. thanks for teaching...

[KopiOkaya]

hhaha i know that normal print out just need 300dpi.. but not sure how film scan work.. thanks for teaching...

It is impossible to differentiate a 300 dpi and a 240 dpi print. Therefore, I normally scan at 240 dpi.

[harky]

eh but to what i know standard print need at least a 300dpi.

[KopiOkaya]

eh but to what i know standard print need at least a 300dpi.

That is just a general guideline. I have printed an A0 size print at 180 dpi and it still looks good.

[harky]

oh i see .... been trying to search the internet and find what dpi other scan.... but thanks for telling and teaching me

[KopiOkaya]

oh i see .... been trying to search the internet and find what dpi other scan.

Instead of searching the Internet, why don't you do some test scans and see the results yourself. That is what I did. I can assure you that you will have a much better idea this way.

[harky]

it look pretty nice in pc... not matter which dpi i scan.. the only thing is when u zoom in.. LOL

[KopiOkaya]

it look pretty nice in pc...

No, no... not on the monitor. You will have to PRINT the image at your prefer photo lab to see the differences.

[harky]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[KopiOkaya]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

You will tend to pixel-peep if you view it on your monitor. However when you have a print, evaluate it at viewing distance (which is about 30cm for a 12R print).

[harky]

but some time it look gd at far distance but not gd @ near distance.

[KopiOkaya]

but some time it look gd at far distance but not gd @ near distance.

Same goes to any famous paintings. Have you look at Monet's Water Lilies upclose before? It looks like a mess.

[harky]

no LOL>....

[KopiOkaya]

no LOL>....

Here you go... While studying in the U.S., I had the opportunity to look at the real artwork on display.

http://echostains.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/claude20monet20water20lily20pond2.jpg
[image: arttoheartweb.com]

[harky]

it look gd haha

btw i do notice the diff when i scan the dpi higher on pc view... maybe it add more blur in the result i tot is nicer.. :P

do u know what is the backlight correction for?? isit for dark background correction?

[KopiOkaya]

ido u know what is the backlight correction for?? isit for dark background correction?

I don't use it. Yes, it has something to do with dark background.

[harky]

what abt unsharp mask?? make sharpen?

[KopiOkaya]

what abt unsharp mask?? make sharpen?

Yes, to sharpen... But use with caution, It will make your scans look grainy.

I am sorry, I have to go to bed liao.

[harky]

oh ok thank for teaching.. gdnite

[KopiOkaya]

You may want to consider buying THESE (http://www.betterscanning.com/scanning/models/v500.html). They will improve your scan quality and image sharpness greatly.

[harky]

is this a kind of glass to flatter the film?

[KopiOkaya]

is this a kind of glass to flatter the film?

Exactly... If your film is warped, it can never scan sharp.

Because your film was rolled, it will stay curve regardless of much you try to flatten it.

[harky]

oh i see..
btw local nv sell haha... ?

[harky]

hi,
i like u ask u say v600 True optical resolution is only 2400dpi but i read somewhere online it say

Highest optical resolution in its class of 6400dpi and 3.4DMax optical density

Also bare in mind that TRUE maximum optical resolution of the V600 is only 2,400 dpi. Anything beyond that will only add blurry redundant pixels without image information, meaning the image looks less sharp compared to a scan at the true maximum optical resolution of the scanner.

[KopiOkaya]

btw local nv sell haha... ?

You will have to order online. A lot of specialized scanning tools and software cannot be found locally.

Highest optical resolution in its class of 6400dpi and 3.4DMax optical density

6,400 dpi is the interpolated resolution. I doubt your v600 can scan up to 3.4 Dmax. That's just marketing hype from Epson.

I will be laughing if my v700 can scan up to 3.0 Dmax (it is rated at 4.0 Dmax). By the way, I have got the setup and tools to perform Dmax test and I found out that my v700 can only scan up to 2.6 Dmax!!!

[harky]

haha i see.. btw that thing not cheap.

i saw ppl use custom non-reflective or A/R glass for the holder..

[KopiOkaya]

haha i see.. btw that thing not cheap.

Good things don't come cheap. I do have some ANR glass on hand, but they are too thick to be used for scanning.

I can see that you posted on "the other forum" as well. You might be able to get better answers from there.

[harky]

ya i posted on other forum but no1 reply me :P

[harky]

have u purchase the ANR glass from the website (website that u given to me)/??

the price is not included shipping charge hor...

[KopiOkaya]

have u purchase the ANR glass from the website (website that u given to me)/??

the price is not included shipping charge hor...

Yes, I bought the glass from that site about a year ago. Shipping charges varies from country to country. I paid about US$25 (plus insurance) just for shipping.

[harky]

US$25 not included 29.90 ?

[KopiOkaya]

US$25 not included 29.90 ?

The ANR glass alone costs US$29.95...

Of course. It totals up to almost US$60 with everything in.

[harky]

omg LOL!

35mm got 2 film holder mean i need to get 2 to make it one set

[KopiOkaya]

omg LOL!

35mm got 2 film holder mean i need to get 2 to make it one set

Yes, but you can always use one instead.

[harky]

hehe... not cheap not cheap

[KopiOkaya]

hehe... not cheap not cheap

Like I said, good things don't come cheap.

[harky]

i notice the ANR dont fully cover... than the back left over how?

http://www.betterscanning.com/scanning/images/35anrfullholder.jpg

[KopiOkaya]

i notice the ANR dont fully cover... than the back left over how?

Easy... You don't scan that part lor.

[harky]

ah... than need to turn over and rescan the missing part

[KopiOkaya]

ah... than need to turn over and rescan the missing part

Some extra work won't kill you lah...

If you are shooting film, don't be lazy. If you are lazy, shoot digital.

[harky]

haha no le.. i m backup my old film...

i saw this, u will be very surprise but it was make for v700 :(

[KopiOkaya]

haha no le.. i m backup my old film...

Same here... I bought the v700 mainly to archive my own slides and negatives, as well as to help another friend archive his. I used to have a Nikon Coolscan 2000 but was unhappy with the results.

[harky]

wonder where can i make this in local... i think this hold better than the glass

[KopiOkaya]

wonder where can i make this in local...

You mean where to find this locally... But I can't see the photos.

[harky]

cannot see ahaha i can le

[KopiOkaya]

Can't really understand mandarin, but it looks like there aren't much differences between the original Epson holder and these. More importantly does it holds your film flat (and I do mean VERY FLAT)?

[harky]

this is stainless metal....
the origianl dont have the square divider

Look @ the below left.. that is the original holder without the divider holder...

[KopiOkaya]

Look @ the below left.. that is the original holder without the divider holder...

Still cannot view... :(

this is stainless metal....

By the way, I wouldn't want to fool around with metal. It may scratch the dedicate film surface.

[harky]

Look @ the below left.. that is the original holder without the square square divider holder...


Still cannot view... :(

[harky]

the person who make this is also use this scanner.. therefore he design this himself.. and make it and sell some

[harky]

actually we need the 4side to hold the film flat

like this http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/787/dt5873321.jpg

but epson film holder dont have

[KopiOkaya]

actually we need the 4side to hold the film flat

To save production costs mah... This gives the opportunity for third-party manufacturers to come out with their own designs.

[harky]

ya... i alrady ask another person see if he can do for v600 a not...
anyway the stuff is get from china..

they all know abt film ... was told it will not scratch the dedicate film surface

[KopiOkaya]

they all know abt film ... was told it will not scratch the dedicate film surface

That's what they claimed lah. Of course they won't tell you it will scratch film surface. They want your business mah.

Come on... even fingernail scratches film, so you can imagine what kind of damage steel can do.

[harky]

so actually anything will scratches film is all depend how we put

[KopiOkaya]

so actually anything will scratches film is all depend how we put

By not using a metal film holder reduces the probability of having your film scratched accidentally. Am I right to say this?

When it comes to archiving my slides and negatives, I don't take chances. Because I know no matter how careful I may be, the metal holder will still scratch the film surface.

It doesn't mean that the ANR glass won't scratch film, but at least I will try to position and sandwich the film on an entirely flat surface, avoiding the edges.

[harky]

ya hehe thanks

[KopiOkaya]

ya hehe thanks

No problem... :cheers:

I am those kind of people who think of every little possibility. If you look at Nikon Coolscan film scanners. Their holders may be metal, but the frame is ABS plastic.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21TmNUKVcML._SL500_AA300_.jpg
[image: amazon.com]


http://www.adorama.com/images/Product/INKFH869G.jpg
[image: adorama.com]

[harky]

but the frame seen to be able to keep (inside like have a roller)

[KopiOkaya]

but the frame seen to be able to keep (inside like have a roller)

Which frame? :confused1:

[harky]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21TmNUKVcML._SL500_AA300_.jpg

this one

[KopiOkaya]

this one

Nope... No rollers. Just sandwich the film between the plastic frames and clam- down the metal holders. Whichever frame you want to scan, just slide.

I had a Nikon Coolscan before, this is the same holder I used.