Why guys lay their hand on girls

[harrynkl]

to those who beat up girls or took spike their drinks

arsehole to you

[Splendid Warrior]

Hey what's the matter dude? Why are you so pissed?? :confused1:

[TATBOO]

Hey what's the matter dude? Why are you so pissed?? :confused1:

one gal friend we know got bashed up with a fracture nose by BF, she told me this morning when i was msn her. :mad: :mad2:

Just told harry abt it.

P.S. if u r reading this, my apology. we treat you as friend. Pls blame me & not Harry.

[Splendid Warrior]

one gal friend we know got bashed up with a fracture nose by BF, she told me this morning when i was msn her. :mad: :mad2:

Just told harry abt it.

P.S. if u r reading this, my apology. we treat you as friend. Pls blame me & not Harry.

Oh I see. Women basher are cowards and have small d**ks and should be put away for a long time. Your lady friend have gone and made a police report I hope?

[TATBOO]

Oh I see. Women basher are cowards and have small d**ks and should be put away for a long time. Your lady friend have gone and made a police report I hope?

she is suffering from the pain without making a police report. Cos the BF dad told her not to..... pity her

[Splendid Warrior]

she is suffering from the pain without making a police report. Cos the BF dad told her not to..... pity her

She can't let him off so easily or he'll go bash another girl up again in the future. If she doesn't want to go to the police, at least make him suffer financially so he knows he can't get off with a slap on the wrist.

ps: she should have pictures of her wounds taken for security reasons.

[espn]

If now gf only can be abused as such. I as the girl to reconsider even moving further in the r/s.

[miniUltraman]

oh my gosh!!! Fractured nose :eek: that is a blow on the face! God darn!!!

[sgphotoman]

harry, we can advise her to make a police report...if she dun want and unwillingly to...that must be a bigger story behind...why she dun want to do so.(nude,extortion) try to sound her out

[AncientMariner]

one gal friend we know got bashed up with a fracture nose by BF, she told me this morning when i was msn her. :mad: :mad2:

Just told harry abt it.

P.S. if u r reading this, my apology. we treat you as friend. Pls blame me & not Harry. Harry mentioned something about spiked drinks which I did not understand. So who spiked whose drinks?

[harrynkl]

one gal friend we know got bashed up with a fracture nose by BF, she told me this morning when i was msn her. :mad: :mad2:

Just told harry abt it.

P.S. if u r reading this, my apology. we treat you as friend. Pls blame me & not Harry.

i got another GF who drink was spiked and photo taken

[harrynkl]

Harry mentioned something about spiked drinks which I did not understand. So who spiked whose drinks?

u know there is this photographer which appear in newspaper where he take photos of girls. there are still some photographers who are still doing this taking nude picture of them,
my model girlfriend in taiwan kana spiked and use a tw forum nick to con her. if i were in taiwan now i bash that guy up with my gang friends and post his pic online.

no wonder these day people think of us photographers so lowly

[harrynkl]

that why i insist on the models bring a friend along when doing private shoot, u will nv know who he/they are once the door are closed.

[harrynkl]

Oh I see. Women basher are cowards and have small d**ks and should be put away for a long time. Your lady friend have gone and made a police report I hope?

i will report to my SPH friend if i want to, it better than the police, shame him or them. ay thier doorstep

[harrynkl]

she is suffering from the pain without making a police report. Cos the BF dad told her not to..... pity her

her dad is a d..k sucker too. wat kind of dad is this, wat chinese say maybe like father like son.

[Thomas]

that why i insist on the models bring a friend along when doing private shoot, u will nv know who he/they are once the door are closed.

Agree. I shall make it a point to remind my friends too :clap2:

[harrynkl]

other case happen, WTF. U girls better dun think of pocket in the money and dun bother anything else


case study (http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=282270)

[Stanley]

Ok! If this guy did that to my daughter, i will make sure he DIE until very very.......... If a guy hit a girl like that, not the way! I luv girl man!:coolnod: Ask the girl go for the police, if not the story will never end...............

[miniUltraman]

Ok! If this guy did that to my daughter, i will make sure he DIE until very very.......... If a guy hit a girl like that, not the way! I luv girl man!:coolnod: Ask the girl go for the police, if not the story will never end...............

never meet your daughter leh.. or I have met b4 but dunno :rofl:

[harrynkl]

never meet your daughter leh.. or I have met b4 but dunno :rofl:

stan ask ur daughter stay away fr him:rofl:

[miniUltraman]

stan ask ur daughter stay away fr him:rofl:

who is Stan daughter huh :rofl: must go find out :grin:

[AncientMariner]

who is Stan daughter huh :rofl: must go find out :grin: Okay, give you a hint. Anyone who intends to mess with her better find out how many times and where her pic appears in sgshoot. ;)

[wks]

Join the coming Sunday outing and you will know lor.

[harrynkl]

Join the coming Sunday outing and you will know lor.

either his gear will break or his pockets

[miniUltraman]

Okay, give you a hint. Anyone who intends to mess with her better find out how many times and where her pic appears in sgshoot. ;)

heee.. think I know leow... Her mum's avantar :grin:

[miniUltraman]

Join the coming Sunday outing and you will know lor.

Sunday outing go where? must pay arh?

[AncientMariner]

heee.. think I know leow... Her mum's avantar :grin: That's right but that's not all.:rofl:

Sunday outing go where? must pay arh?
Aiyoh, you pretending or real blur?
http://www.sgshoot.com/forums/showthread.php?t=734

[miniUltraman]

That's right but that's not all.:rofl:
that's not all? she got more than 1 daughter huh :confused1:

Aiyoh, you pretending or real blur?
http://www.sgshoot.com/forums/showthread.php?t=734

Thanks for the link... really didn't know lah.. seldom read that thread. :clap:

[AncientMariner]

that's not all? she got more than 1 daughter huh :confused1:

Thanks for the link... really didn't know lah.. seldom read that thread. :clap:I wasn't hinting she has more than 1 daughter. Just that you have seen her daughter's pic all over sgshoot.:rofl:

[miniUltraman]

I wasn't hinting she has more than 1 daughter. Just that you have seen her daughter's pic all over sgshoot.:rofl:

Got you now :grin: Thanks for the hint... your latest link that you attached also got her :cheer:

[AncientMariner]

Got you now :grin: Thanks for the hint... your latest link that you attached also got her :cheer::rofl:Do you really think you located all the pics? There's still one more you overlooked completely and I am sure you have been looking at it without realising it.;)

[miniUltraman]

:rofl:Do you really think you located all the pics? There's still one more you overlooked completely and I am sure you have been looking at it without realising it.;)

wow.. this hint too abstract leow :confused1:

[AncientMariner]

wow.. this hint too abstract leow :confused1: Okay, if I say she's staring at you now, would you get it? :grin:

[miniUltraman]

Okay, if I say she's staring at you now, would you get it? :grin:

Gosh!!! Your avantar :eek: Her eyes very big leh :thumbsup: bigger than my ultraman eyes :grin:

[AncientMariner]

Gosh!!! Your avantar :eek: Her eyes very big leh :thumbsup: bigger than my ultraman eyes :grin: Finally! So will you be joining the Gothic Lolita shoot?

[miniUltraman]

Finally! So will you be joining the Gothic Lolita shoot?

unfortunately no... getting real busy with work.. project deadline and oso church calling me to help cover some of their events :)

[Lone Wolf]

u know there is this photographer which appear in newspaper where he take photos of girls. there are still some photographers who are still doing this taking nude picture of them,
my model girlfriend in taiwan kana spiked and use a tw forum nick to con her. if i were in taiwan now i bash that guy up with my gang friends and post his pic online.

no wonder these day people think of us photographers so lowlyNow there's more reason to. Just came across a thread in the "kopitiam" of another photography forum alleging such incident involving a TFCDer and another photographer who is a member of that forum, but claiming rape instead of photos taken. It said a police report was lodged.

[harrynkl]

Dear all,

Refain from making other comments before the police investigation is over. The truth will be out soon. Any other accusations/faming in this forum will not be tolerate.


Btw my girl is not just picture taken only and that guy had felt his suffering.

[espn]

Let's just shoot more for now, don't think too much...

[joanne]

When girl happy to go bed with guy they say in a nice way----make ****. If the girl not happy with the guy then she will say kanna rape.

Everyone will try to cover their own backside, no one will say they do something wrong. Anyway we only know one side story now befair to this guy we must listend to this guys too! Hope this guy will be fine and hope him be strong if he really never do anything to this girl!

[Lone Wolf]

Let's just shoot more for now, don't think too much... Agreed but merely shooting pics without analysing one's pics, the existing conditions and what others do, is not going to help one improve much.

[Lone Wolf]

When girl happy to go bed with guy they say in a nice way----make ****. If the girl not happy with the guy then she will say kanna rape.

That is not correct. A girl, having consented, still has the right to change her mind during the act and if she says NO at any time it is rape to continue. However, if she regrets it or change her mind after the act which was consential, it is making a false report.

Everyone will try to cover their own backside, no one will say they do something wrong. Anyway we only know one side story now befair to this guy we must listend to this guys too! Hope this guy will be fine and hope him be strong if he really never do anything to this girl!
Yes, there are always two sides of a coin and we should not be looking at any one side or the other. What if the allegations are true? However, the point of my post is not to seek but how to protect oneself from such allegations arising in the first place.

[Lone Wolf]

Dear all,

Refain from making other comments before the police investigation is over. The truth will be out soon. Any other accusations/faming in this forum will not be tolerate.
Btw my girl is not just picture taken only and that guy had felt his suffering.
It is interesting to note how you were advocating taking the law into your own hands in "your girl's" case in Taiwan and spurring everybody to a lynch mob approach whereas in this local case all of a sudden you tell us to refrain even from making comments. Whilst the complainant was not named, did it ever occur to you that some or one of us just might be acquainted with both parties? (not that I have any idea at the moment who the complainant)
Dont get me wrong. I believe that a man should be deemed innocent until proven guilty. However, what I wrote is not that the rape is a fact. But that an allegation of such was made is, that it had been made publicly in another forum is and I did so without naming anyone or providing any link. Read my post again, I made efforts to ensure it is clear that the rape accusation is merely an allegation. Whatever, I have no interest in the outcome of the actual case.
My interest is in furtherance of your advice that an aspiring model/talent should be accompanied by someone she knew. This protects the subject but not the photographer. Actually, I feel that a mere spectator will get in the way of the shoot but I did not respond because I have my own way of handling the situation. That is when it is something like a 1-1 shoot or when privacy is required, I have an independent 3rd party whose word will carry more weight because he/she is supposed to be present and involved. If the photographers intention is honourable, there is no reason why he would not avail himself of someone who will contribute to a better result and/or defray the cost of the shoot. Think about it. If there was an MUA there, would anyone be able to make any allegation?
Please note that I posted my comment as a reply to your post (which was quoted) citing incidents which cause the public to think lowly of photographers. That is why not only talent/models but photographers should be alerted to what can result from an oversight to "protect" onself.

[joanne]

That is not correct. A girl, having consented, still has the right to change her mind during the act and if she says NO at any time it is rape to continue. However, if she regrets it or change her mind after the act which was consential, it is making a false report.

Yes, there are always two sides of a coin and we should not be looking at any one side or the other. What if the allegations are true? However, the point of my post is not to seek but how to protect oneself from such allegations arising in the first place.

Well what you said also truth! Anyway just wait and see! The truth will know soon.......!

[Ricky]

Last time my Mama told me:"Son ah used your eye to see, don't used your hand to touch, if not your backside pain".

[AlvinZ]

Too many model-wannabes and pro-photographer-wannabes...

[harrynkl]

It is interesting to note how you were advocating taking the law into your own hands in "your girl's" case in Taiwan and spurring everybody to a lynch mob approach whereas in this local case all of a sudden you tell us to refrain even from making comments. Whilst the complainant was not named, did it ever occur to you that some or one of us just might be acquainted with both parties? (not that I have any idea at the moment who the complainant)
Dont get me wrong. I believe that a man should be deemed innocent until proven guilty. However, what I wrote is not that the rape is a fact. But that an allegation of such was made is, that it had been made publicly in another forum is and I did so without naming anyone or providing any link. Read my post again, I made efforts to ensure it is clear that the rape accusation is merely an allegation. Whatever, I have no interest in the outcome of the actual case.
My interest is in furtherance of your advice that an aspiring model/talent should be accompanied by someone she knew. This protects the subject but not the photographer. Actually, I feel that a mere spectator will get in the way of the shoot but I did not respond because I have my own way of handling the situation. That is when it is something like a 1-1 shoot or when privacy is required, I have an independent 3rd party whose word will carry more weight because he/she is supposed to be present and involved. If the photographers intention is honourable, there is no reason why he would not avail himself of someone who will contribute to a better result and/or defray the cost of the shoot. Think about it. If there was an MUA there, would anyone be able to make any allegation?
Please note that I posted my comment as a reply to your post (which was quoted) citing incidents which cause the public to think lowly of photographers. That is why not only talent/models but photographers should be alerted to what can result from an oversight to "protect" onself.

This happen in taiwan, my case was the outcome of two parties which my polices' friend help in settle the case. And my gang of friends are from the gov body over there. And i never use my own law to whip out the fellow.


And for the thread in the other forum, I just state that members of this forum refain from given your own accusations. That's All

A third party from both side even help to settle a lot of differences. both parties will not do anything silly and never be alone with just the model and photographer alone

[harrynkl]

Too many model-wannabes and pro-photographer-wannabes...

and photographers ask for private shoots and models willing to go without and partner fellowing

[AlvinZ]

and photographers ask for private shoots and models willing to go without and partner fellowing
好?色?攝?一族... haha... :happy1:

[harrynkl]

好?色?攝?一族... haha... :happy1:

as always woman are trouble and man are trouble seeker, must fellow EOW's footsteps shoot landscape and still life

[AlvinZ]

as always woman are trouble and man are trouble seeker, must fellow EOW's footsteps shoot landscape and still life
so thursday not seeing u already huh? :rofl:

[harrynkl]

so thursday not seeing u already huh? :rofl:

i was not given a choice, i will go but using a 150mm lens to shoot so there a distance away from them

[EFG]

as always woman are trouble and man are trouble seeker, must fellow EOW's footsteps shoot landscape and still life

emm, i once followed eow's footstep but ended up in the woods shooting a girl in bikini. Care to join us for next landscape shoot with... ahem... eow?

[harrynkl]

emm, i once followed eow's footstep but ended up in the woods shooting a girl in bikini. Care to join us for next landscape shoot with... ahem... eow?

woods? next one is bushes

[harrynkl]

come to think of it EOW is a trouble seeker for u too ask u to fellow his footsteps

[EFG]

Sorry for earlier OT. Guess this topic needs a little break. We should all chill out and relag. Whether right or wrong, the ship will reach a point.

As for paid shoots or tfcd, we should always take caution and avoid being alone with a model in a closed environment - especially for those talents whom we barely know over the internet. Misunderstandings can sometimes occur in many different ways and its rather difficult to make a white silk look white after soaking it in a muddy pool.

For TFCD studio shoots, I always invite the participant to bring along a friend. Better still have her friend shoot together for some fun shots at the end. For paid shoots, a line is usually drawn clearly to indicate its a paid job (which they are paid to perform) and no hanky panky by the photographers be it a verbal hint for a date or a joke to get laid. One will never know that a joke can manifest into a perceived crime.

Let us then focus in photography since we are gathered here in search of its essence.

Chill.

[EFG]

come to think of it EOW is a trouble seeker for u too ask u to fellow his footsteps

:) eow is a good friend of mine. He is nice chap indeed.

[harrynkl]

:) eow is a good friend of mine. He is nice chap indeed.

next time shoot, bring me together to the woods too:victory:

[harrynkl]

Sorry for earlier OT. Guess this topic needs a little break. We should all chill out and relag. Whether right or wrong, the ship will reach a point.

As for paid shoots or tfcd, we should always take caution and avoid being alone with a model in a closed environment - especially for those talents whom we barely know over the internet. Misunderstandings can sometimes occur in many different ways and its rather difficult to make a white silk look white after soaking it in a muddy pool.

For TFCD studio shoots, I always invite the participant to bring along a friend. Better still have her friend shoot together for some fun shots at the end. For paid shoots, a line is usually drawn clearly to indicate its a paid job (which they are paid to perform) and no hanky panky by the photographers be it a verbal hint for a date or a joke to get laid. One will never know that a joke can manifest into a perceived crime.

Let us then focus in photography since we are gathered here in search of its essence.

Chill.

Words from the Pro Master, believe it.

[Stanley]

Sorry for earlier OT. Guess this topic needs a little break. We should all chill out and relag. Whether right or wrong, the ship will reach a point.

As for paid shoots or tfcd, we should always take caution and avoid being alone with a model in a closed environment - especially for those talents whom we barely know over the internet. Misunderstandings can sometimes occur in many different ways and its rather difficult to make a white silk look white after soaking it in a muddy pool.

For TFCD studio shoots, I always invite the participant to bring along a friend. Better still have her friend shoot together for some fun shots at the end. For paid shoots, a line is usually drawn clearly to indicate its a paid job (which they are paid to perform) and no hanky panky by the photographers be it a verbal hint for a date or a joke to get laid. One will never know that a joke can manifest into a perceived crime.

Let us then focus in photography since we are gathered here in search of its essence.

Chill.

Nice said!!! How but if you are shooting nude pictures??? I used to call along the MUA or my Girl friends to take care of me! I scare my bell hanging there will ring very loud!!!:rofl: Than i'm out for the shoot already. Understand???

[Lone Wolf]

This happen in taiwan, my case was the outcome of two parties which my polices' friend help in settle the case. And my gang of friends are from the gov body over there. And i never use my own law to whip out the fellow. Sorry, I have a different viewpoint. I am not familiar with the legal procedures in Taiwan but I am sure that the legal system does not allow law enforcement officers to use their position to settle *criminal* cases privately without adhering to the procedure laid down by law. In a criminal case, it is the state vs the accused and not just the complaninant vs the accused i.e. it is an offence against the state not the individual. By acting privately, your police or "government official" friends and you are, in fact, taking the law into your own hands. In fact, your friends, if gauged by our local law, would have committed offences themselves.

And for the thread in the other forum, I just state that members of this forum refain from given your own accusations. That's AllMy apologies for misunderstanding you. I agree any accusations in this case should be made as information to the Police.

A third party from both side even help to settle a lot of differences. both parties will not do anything silly and never be alone with just the model and photographer aloneI agree that the key to prevention is never have the model and photographer alone. Another solution will be to do the shoot in a public place with lots of eye witnesses.:)

[espn]

Agreed but merely shooting pics without analysing one's pics, the existing conditions and what others do, is not going to help one improve much.
Think too much, as a hobby just enjoy what you shoot, everybody's perceptions are different, you will never create a picture that will be liked by all. What matters more is the process, the fellowship of going out with friends shooting.

Don't fret over little stuff... nothing you worry about can be resolved by your worries and thoughts.

[Lone Wolf]

Sorry for earlier OT. Guess this topic needs a little break. We should all chill out and relag. Whether right or wrong, the ship will reach a point.That would a simplistic view. There is no clear dividing line between right or wrong but rather varying degrees e.g. aggravating or mitigating factors and the reason why our statutes do not stipulate a fixed penalty but a maximum limit and sometimes a minimum punishment. Furthermore, incidents comprise more than one single offence. So whilst the prosecution may proceed on the offence with the heaviest penalty they will normally append an alternative charge or the court may decide e.g. between murder and culpable homicide. From reading the other forum's thread, I observe that besides the rape accusation, the accused has possibly a lot of other allegations to answer for.

As for paid shoots or tfcd, we should always take caution and avoid being alone with a model in a closed environment - especially for those talents whom we barely know over the internet. Misunderstandings can sometimes occur in many different ways and its rather difficult to make a white silk look white after soaking it in a muddy pool."It must have been a really massive misunderstanding" to result in a police investigation into a rape charge. What you see may be tainted silk but ever consider that the silk may not have been white in the first place? Normally, to respect the model's modesty in sensitive shoots like nude, we don't allow photographers waiting or finished with their turn to remain in the studio i.e. no ogling. Yet, in the thread, it was alleged the complainant was invited and went there as an *observer.* Then there is the alleged aggravating factor of offering alcohol. If true, these can be taken as efforts at arousal and/or seduction and grounds to suspect the motive.
I do agree with you about taking precaution. When I do a 1-1 shoot even if it is not nude but in a private room, I always have an mua in attendance or shoot together with a buddy.

For TFCD studio shoots, I always invite the participant to bring along a friend. Better still have her friend shoot together for some fun shots at the end. For paid shoots, a line is usually drawn clearly to indicate its a paid job (which they are paid to perform) and no hanky panky by the photographers be it a verbal hint for a date or a joke to get laid. One will never know that a joke can manifest into a perceived crime.What you are suggesting is easily covered by getting a model release form (such as we were given in the Nude Appreciation Photography course) signed but I suspect the majority of "untrained" photographers have never seen one. Yes, the verbal exchange, as described by you above, if not received in the right spirit, can be deemed sexual harassment (or "insulting the modesty of a woman") even with the model release form signed.

Let us then focus in photography since we are gathered here in search of its essence.
Chill.
Yes, do but we must ensure we do not create or get caught in the pitfalls along the way.

[Lone Wolf]

Nice said!!! How but if you are shooting nude pictures??? I used to call along the MUA or my Girl friends to take care of me! I scare my bell hanging there will ring very loud!!!:rofl: Than i'm out for the shoot already. Understand???Yes. I understand and appreciate the fact that you made us do all the homework before the shoot. The state of arousal is controlled by the mind and only those simply ogling with lust will get aroused. If one's objective is to photograph a nude well, one's mind is on achieving the objective with camera and lights. The nude body becomes just another subject to shoot and not to ogle. The presence of a third person certainly discourages any untoward moves.

[Lone Wolf]

Think too much, as a hobby just enjoy what you shoot, everybody's perceptions are different, you will never create a picture that will be liked by all. What matters more is the process, the fellowship of going out with friends shooting.:confused1: When someone is able to stop thinking, he/she can be considered "brain-dead".
But, but I am a lone wolf. mah.;-))
Moreover, even when in a group shoot, every photographer is still effectively shooting alone.
Hmm...Never said anything about pleasing others and I don't need to shoot for a living and don't have to care what others like.
However, I do try to appreciate what others do and try to bring my standard up and/or emulate what others produce that I like.
Yes, everyone needs to continually practice or go rusty.

Don't fret over little stuff... nothing you worry about can be resolved by your worries and thoughts.:rofl: I have never worried about anything at all. When one knows how and is determined, one can do what is seemingly impossible.
If something needs resolving, I act and act swiftly, decisively and savagely like my namesake, the wolf.:cheers:

[EFG]

next time shoot, bring me together to the woods too:victory:

Would love to invite you into the woods next time. What if there got wolf? ok, sorry, lousy joke...

[EFG]

Words from the Pro Master, believe it.

Dun say that. I am but a student of this art. There are many good photographers & instructors in this forum we can learn from.

[EFG]

Nice said!!! How but if you are shooting nude pictures??? I used to call along the MUA or my Girl friends to take care of me! I scare my bell hanging there will ring very loud!!!:rofl: Than i'm out for the shoot already. Understand???

Yes sir, nude photography is another tricky area we should take note.

[EFG]

That would a simplistic view. There is no clear dividing line between right or wrong but rather varying degrees e.g. aggravating or mitigating factors and the reason why our statutes do not stipulate a fixed penalty but a maximum limit and sometimes a minimum punishment.....

Good to know your viewpoints from the legalistic perspective. With such precautions, it would have most grounds covered.

Thanks for sharing.

[Jukon]

Nice said!!! How but if you are shooting nude pictures??? I used to call along the MUA or my Girl friends to take care of me! I scare my bell hanging there will ring very loud!!!:rofl: Than i'm out for the shoot already. Understand???

After I have taken up hotograhpy as a hobby, I begin to view Ladies as a beauty in a Artistic angle. Nude or no nude I will try to make appear best in my photo.

"I scare my bell hanging there will ring very loud!!!" will scare your students more as you are very Pro.

[Jukon]

Good morning everybody in the Forum

Upz for SGShoot

[DesignerWhere]

I really missed my school days whereby e whole class actually had to go to Chinatown to shot e Chinese New Year festivties.... Everyone shooting their own stuff but it was so fun.... especially when comparing photos n learning from each other.:clap2: